The day-page-set for the talk in the ‘wiki-net’
Read the talk, explained.
The talk in which wikis do we listen to? Who is listening to the talk in the ‘wiki-net’? See the
wiki-net talk.
google reader - ‘wiki-net’
Mattis Manzel:
Having been impressed by the google wave presentation I started playing with google. All feeds for the ‘wiki-net’, including Mµs #WikiNet and the net clips are included into google reader - 'wiki-net'. The feed http://www.google.com/reader/public/atom/user/04111551298872066459/label/autoshared does not include into oddmuse (but it works nicely included into the friendfeed room - 'wiki-net'). I did use the scripts to include google feeds into a day-page on Greenland-wiki - talk and whoRthey-wiki - talk.
Our external links can be found on google profiles - 'wiki-net'.
Mediawikis with rss extension
Mattis Manzel:
I started on a list of Mediawikis having the rss extension installed - Mediawikis with rss extension. Thanks for dropping a link or two. Links to other such lists or a clever query finding many such half duplex wiki-net compatible Mediawikis would also be appreciated. 
about the identi.ca and twitter icons included into the wikis
Mattis Manzel:
@SamRose, hi. Pretty much without any doubt it would be nice to have the icons for contributors used in identi.ca and twitter in addition to the text of a Mµ included into the wikis. That applies for the bar to the right and the pages that are queries. The feeds come from identica, examples identi.ca tag - wikinet, identi.ca tag - hiv, identi.ca Etikett - Stuttgart, identi.ca search - Stuttgart, and from twitter search, examples twitter search - tag wikinet, twitter search - tag hiv, twitter search - Etikett Stuttgart, twitter search - Stuttgart. I use twitterfeed to forward the soup-feed into identi.ca., I use the forward2twitter feature of identi.ca to forward further into twitter, but anyhow.
When including the feeds into [[friendfeed?]] the icons convey at least for twitter, example friendfeed room - Stuttgart-wiki. But I have to use the rss feed [1], using the atom variant [2] of the twitter search feed the icons do not show up in the inclusion into friendfeed. That is how far I get at the moment. Neither soup.io nor Oddmuse currently display Mµ icons. Thanks for taking a look.
unique wiki names
I just realized on hiv-wiki-de - Mµ Suchanfragen that (likely) there is a problem with some wiki urls. When you try the link Mµs hiv on the mentioned German page it should take you to HivWikiDe:MµsHiv. It does not, it takes you to HivWiki:MµsHiv. I’m almost certain that this is due to the fact that the url for the hiv-wiki-en HivWiki kinda is “contained” in in the one for the hiv-wiki-de HivWikiDe. It should be a unique url to make it work, thus HivWikiEn. I started with the hiv-wiki and later decided to also start a German one, added De, well. There are a few wikis this problem applies to, not too many though. They shall be migrated to “unique wiki names”, links have to be fixed all over. That’s some work for a good purpose, true, but it’s not a disaster.
friendfeed - ‘wiki-net’ via soup
Mattis Manzel:
For a couple of days friendfeed included the text of day-pages fine when using the custom feed inclusion, but that stopped and doesn’t work anymore. So I tried to include the soup-feed instead.
The page friendfeed room - 'wiki-net' shows the full text of day-page-sets and Mµs #wikinet. It does not show the icon of the person who sent a Mµ though (which worked before, I swear).
facebook - like too much television
Mattis Manzel:
Hm, it feels a little like too much television, nevertheless: I made some facebook accounts for wikis.
You find them all in the facebook group - wiki-net.
Mattis Manzel:
Hmm. I set the twitterfeed feeds for the twitter accounts of the wikis inactive. The twitterfeed feeds for the identi.ca accounts of the wikis remain active. I activated the forwarding of all identi.ca accounts of the wikis into the twitter accounts of the wikis.
Mattis Manzel:
Hi [[manny?]], thanks for trying out on 2009-01-30 WhoHelp. Try out a little more - the sand-wiki-en is originally planned for experiments but not quite up to date currently - and help a little. Then we add you to the day-page-set who help.
Sorry for the feedback
Mattis Manzel:
Sorry for repeated sending a message #wikinet back and forth between identi.ca and twitter and sorry for first blaming MathieuCoste for this feedback - I was to blame. I deactivated all automatic message forwarding from identi.ca to twitter and hope the wiki-net behaves now.
conglomeration of intelligence
MattisManzel:
Imagine the wiki-net worked, imagine a bit into the future, please. Every wiki-community cares for their wiki-net pages, every page wiki-net draws a picture of the current neighborhood relations and interests of a wiki-community.
AlexSchroeder said “wikis are nomads”. I agree. Currently moving a wiki from one hive to another - because the wiki has more ties and friends in the hive it moves to and thus “feels better” for example - is a pain in the … Imagine it wouldn’t. Just imagine.
If so then couldn’t one write some code voodoo that analyses the wiki-nets of the wikis in the one big soup and figures out dynamically what wikis have the most ties to each other and - automatically - groups these wikis together in a hive? Automigration, kind of. Optimal grouping together wikis based on the information on the page wiki-net of every wiki. Conglomeration of intelligence. …
Or, probably better, not caring on what server (hives are currently server based) wikis run on at all and composing a “hive” = a temporary togetherness from wikis running on different servers. “Hive” as a mere idea, not as a physical fact anymore.
Ok, just had to pin that down, cu.
new wiki-net icon
MattisManzel:
The wiki-net icon oddyssey (deliberate double d). Now we have the mascot of the net as an icon.
Thanks to RadomirDopieralski for the essential spider idea and the art work. ‘em spiders’ll soon be all over.
This is awesome - MarkDilley
pretty late improvisation on wiki-net programming
MattisManzel:
Recently, during a four day offline period I put some notes about what I imagine as programming for the wiki-net on paper. I copy in here what seems worth it and add to it.
The wiki-net of a wiki is a profile telling about the current neighborhood relations of a wiki.
To motivate communities to care for their wiki-net it takes automatic notification of communities when being watched by other communities.
there is a section on every wiki’s WikiNetFaces saying
currently watching the face of the xyz-wiki
<rss "watching-the-face-feed url">
This feed is the goal. Me manually adding is for demonstration how it should work automatically only.
The same applies for WikiNetWikiIdeas, WikiNetHints, WikiNetChanges, WikiNetSoups (WhoHelpsHere is different btw).
The sources are the wiki-net feeds (these as well are created manually currently, that’s another story, nevermind).
mechanism:
Search for sections wiki-net-faces. Search if xyz-wiki is in it. If it is in it add the wiki to the watching-the-face-feed.
My idea about a centralizes WikiNetServer is BS. Not every wiki-hive needs to watch every other wiki-hive. Its users choose which other wiki-hives to watch and thus which other wikis they will automatically be notified about if being watched by them. Not everything needs to be connected directly but everything must potentially be connected via several steps.
It is welcome and helps building a HiveMind when
talk-feed
MattisManzel:
I’ll apply the talk-feed in the ‘wiki-net’. The talk is no longer “private” but it’s a part of kabo wiki-hive / whoRthey-wiki: one big soup plus a couple of other aggregations.
ning - wiki-net
MattisManzel:
Yes, it was extraordinary simple to set up but it’s not a wiki.
I’m trying around to find out about the different features of different services to get a feel for what could be useful for the wiki-net. Or the global communication machine or the hive-mind or whatever you want to call it.
get satisfaction - wiki-net
MattisManzel:
I started get satisfaction - wiki-net today. The wiki-net is an idea, a concept rather than an organisation, let alone a company.
probably Dekiwiki could be made capable for the wiki-net?
MattisManzel:
That is: Read feeds from remote day-page-sets, put out feeds for local day-page-sets. Got to try it out.
This looks somehow promising (and complicated)
small icons “edit this page” starting the green title of all day-pages
MattisManzel:
Having small (12x12) icons “edit this page” starting the green title of all day-pages would be cool. Clicking the icon should take you directly to the edit-mode of the respective day-page. The green title itself continues to link to the day-page in read-mode. That would be useful and it would clarify that the day-pages are included into the mother page of the set and that they are editable. Hmm.
Like that, just above before the green 2008-03-14 (check mouse-over text and click, please):
The icon is only needed in the view from the mother-page of a day-page set (for this page talk). Only then the title of a day-page is green, only then it should have the icon before the title. When looking at the day-page directly the title is blue and there’s the standard edit button up to the right to edit it.
Having the icon without the function to open the day-page in edit-mode before every green title of a day-page would be also pretty fine. The icon makes people click and when they see the day-page directly they will understand. Opening in edit-mode on click would be even cooler, sure.
icons for the wikis on the NearMap
mattis^: hm, Sisters directory, you mean the NearMap?
(23:15:14) TheSheep: No, you set that directory name in your configuration, actually it’s an url prefix, http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/oddmuse/Near_Links#SisterSiteLogoUrl, you need to ask the hive admins, I guess.
(23:20:33) mattis^: All hive-admins are friends 
There is problem 
MattisManzel:
Not too serious though, “little problem”. To evite grammatical chaos we should preferably stick to “wiki” as the word determining the article of an assembled word:
In English it has no consequences on the grammatical construction whether I use wiki-center / center-wiki or wiki-list / list-wiki, etc.
In German it has. “Liste” is female in German, wiki is neutrum (I use neutrum at least). Consequently talking about wiki-Liste you have to use the female article which tears it a lot over to the meaning of “list” and away from the meaning “wiki”. This creates eviteable confusion. It would be much clearer using (das) “Listen-wiki” instead of (die) “wiki-Liste” The only way to fix it is to rename wiki-list to list-wiki. And further on wiki-center to center-wiki. The term oddwiki has been too tightly linked together for me to dare to split it. I thought about odd-wiki, I remember. Well …
So, imagine please
And thinking further that German is one of the few languages having a third, neutral article it probably would be better to use “der wiki”, male article, like Alex does it - and like I do it already in Italian (il Venezia-wiki, …).
MattisManzel:
Replacing the old ‘eye of HAL’ wiki-net icon 
Too many wiki-net icons, sorry.

hive-list of the repective wiki-center(s) included on the wiki-node
MattisManzel:
Yesterday I had the idea to include the hive-list-feed of the center wiki(s) a wiki belongs to into its wiki-node. That makes a list of probable neighbors which updates automatically kinda. I’m making good headway.

wiki-net hints
MattisManzel:
Ha! The hints for us are “out of control” of a wiki-community. Likely it will be fellow or nearby communants or friends who “hint” a wiki. But perfect strangers can just as well do so. So it aint’t the hints a wiki-community is given that describe it (wiki-net). The choice of wikis on the wiki-net hints does! Ha! Just like you can’t change the gossip of people but you can change who’s gossip you listen to.

‘wiki-net’
MattisManzel:
Hmm, a spambot seems to be targeting ‘wiki-net’: talk. Hmm.
Else I figured out that ‘wiki-net’ is this specific wiki about the wiki-net. When I made it was thinking about if it’s a good idea to call it wiki-net. Lion chose wiki-nodes for the wiki about wiki-nodes, I mean. Heck, I thought finally and just created it. Apostrophing one to be able to differentiate them is the best that comes to my mind now. Sorry.
Some correcting wiki-net to ‘wiki-net’ wikilandia-wide to be done still 
MattisManzel:
A red dot made from the eye of HAL instead of the star now. Oh, yes.
2007-07-03:
and I replaced it with the edit chalk icon. Basta con le cazzate.
Transclusion of the youngest day-page on the hive-list to a page hive-list on the main-wiki
MattisManzel:
Something that could be useful: A “module” than includes always and only the youngest daypage of a daypage-set located on another wiki into a page. Like that we could have an allways up-to-date wiki-list on the main-wikis of the hives. Transclusion of the youngest daypage on kabo-wiki-list: hive-list into kabo-wiki-hive: hive-list. When a new hive-list daypage is created it transcludes this new one instead.
On the list-wiki it’s HiveListPages - a day-page set - whereas on the main-wiki it’s HiveList - a normal page. Hive List displays only the youngest day-page on HiveListPages.
Difficult?
Also changing "blog" to "face" is is the air.
MattisManzel 2007-03-25:
No extra module needed it seems. Sorry for my ignorance. kabo-wiki-hive: hive-list
MattisManzel:
Thanks for playing with the css a bit, 85-130-164-xxx.broadband.actcom.net.il, no problem. I reverted it being used to this one. We have the css-sand-wiki for css-experiments, nevermind. I copied the css you worked on here over to the css-sand-wiki. It’s version 23. Copy it to a seperate page when you want to make sure that it’s not overwitten.
Have fun.

Hi all. We spoke on WikiNet during a BarCamp:BarCampParis7 workshop in Google France.
First french report is available here. Tomorrow, we will try to introduce WikiNet in a MashPit?. XWiki could be interested to join us. Currently thinking WikiNet could help to google out
Upcoming event a MashPit? WikiNet (hackfest) tomorrow in google. – ChristopheDucamp
MattisManzel:
I have been trying to write about the wiki-net server yesterday posting the link to #oddmuse and xterminus pointed me to http://planetplanet.org. I told mutante about it this morning and he made the planet wiki-net for s23-wiki: wiki-net changes - which is quite promising, I think.
The wiki-net is for wikis to poke each other a little more, like in the blogoshere. True.
Blogs are individually centered. A person owns them. This person has more influence on the blog than all other persons. Users of individually owned social software sites (blog) created a global network called blogoshere - why? To interact with each other, to poke each other, it’s more fun like that.
wikis are community-owned and -governed. They already imply interaction. That’s why a direct desire for a wiki-net - the equivalent for the blogoshere but for community-owned social software sites (wikis) didn’t appear similarily. It doubtlessly is of interest to create such though.
The basic difference between the two is the restriction of access to the owner for certain functions. On a blog only the owner can change what feeds are included and how the blogroll is shaped.
Building a wiki-net it’s important to remember that everybody must be able to change all parameters of all wikis in the wiki-net. They are community-owned. Because communities want to be dynamic, because they want to be able to change and develop they are open. Thus everybody can change all parameters. No exception.
I suppose I have no access to the planet wiki-net page for s23-wiki: wiki-net changes and can not change what changes-feeds of wikis are included on it.
I wonder If one could trigger the planet wiki-net directly from the youngest day-page in the wiki-net? So that everybody could change the feeds for the wikis included in it.
MattisManzel:
Jepp! WhoIsWatchingUsPages? is the counterpart to WikiNet driven by the information coming from the WikiNetServer. WikiNet shows whom we are watching and WhoIsWatchingUs? - Right! It also drives a section on WikiNetChanges and WikiNetFaces listing what other wikis currently have us on their wiki-net changes and wiki-net faces. And others maybe? Just wanted to note the idea.