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FirstDikiPagePages

You reach the page front / face with a
click on the title of the wiki.

first diki-page

The first wiki-page-set with timestamped day-pages attached to

Here you would read the wise, wise refactored document-mode text about the topic of this page.

Here it would end.


first diki-page / talk was more the traditional approach of a talk-page.

To add a time stamped day-page entry below click
edit the first diki-page.

First diki page / calendar
The first diki page / wider calendar permits a wider view. The full calendar gives access to all day-pages.





first diki-page

2006-10-02 11h00 FirstDikiPage

sand-diki: first diki-page

MattisManzel: Some time ago there was the diki-idea. Coming back to it now. Lets see how the other day-page sets integrate.

2006-05-18 17h04 FirstDikiPage

sand-diki: first diki-page

MattisManzel: Ok, it seems possible, but not here.

from irc.freenode #oddmuse

  • (16:23:10) mattis^: kensanata tsdp creation works fine, now the inclusion, super-cool :)
  • (16:24:46) kensanata: “now the inclusion” – i don’t need to do anything for that, right?
  • (16:54:09) mattis^: kensanata, well
  • (16:54:41) mattis^: twisting around the sequence in 24 hour mode
  • (16:56:51) mattis^: unrevert the sequence for the next entry once every 24 hours, something like that.
  • (16:58:25) mattis^: it should end up like I wrote, *newer, later, latest *newer, later, latest *newer, later, latest

  • (18:19:49) mattis^: kensanata could I include the contents of the pagecollection for today for FirstDikiPage on FirstDikiPage itself? it has the right sequence. Tried but it doesn’t work http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/SandDiki/FirstDikiPage
  • (18:23:41) kensanata: mattis^: are you trying to say: I want pages matching FirstDikiPage sorted descending by date and ascending by time and it doesn’t work?
  • (18:23:50) kensanata: mattis^: in that case, the answer is yes: it doesn’t work.
  • (18:25:14) mattis^: instead of using the journal I want to include the page collection for today, then I would only have to write one include line for every day to get the desired result.
  • (18:25:55) kensanata: mattis^: let me set up an example.

  • (18:36:17) kensanata: mattis^: hm, i just verified: recursive journal tags won’t work.
  • (18:36:22) kensanata: bad luck for you.
  • (18:39:32) kensanata: mattis^: if you create a diki on your own site, I might write it up for you so you can install it.
  • (18:39:45) kensanata: but i don’t think i will install it on communitywiki.org/odd
  • (18:42:14) mattis^: but you think it would be possible, that sounds good. I’ll ask mutante, if he can set up a muse for me, thanks.

  • (18:49:57) mattis^: kensanata are there any performance issues involved with the diki-concept. If a page consists of dozens of pages instead of one, I mean. Would it slow down a lot?
  • (18:50:43) kensanata: not really.
  • (18:50:53) mattis^: :)
  • (18:51:20) kensanata: specially since an appropriate JournalSort? would just require a single <journal> entry, and not a journal entry per day.
  • (18:54:48) mattis^: remains the edit mode. We need the text of the page and all earlier day-pages of a page readable above the edit window when editing a day-page.
  • (18:55:20) kensanata: that would require more coding.
  • (18:55:30) mattis^: I see
  • (18:55:32) kensanata: you need to find a volunteer to set up your site and do some coding for you. :)
  • (18:55:47) mattis^: looks like

2006-05-18 15h53 FirstDikiPage

sand-diki: first diki-page

MattisManzel: the page collection has the right sequence for days. Maybe I can include it here

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/SandDiki?action=collect;match=2006-05-18_FirstDikiPage

obviously no, it would be better directly on first diki-page anyhow.

2006-05-18 14h32 FirstDikiPage

sand-diki: first diki-page

MattisManzel: Ha! The inclusion works, I haven’t had to change a thing. Ha!

New day-pages add on top. As long as there is the same day as before it should add below though. Let’s see.

2006-05-18 14h26 FirstDikiPage

sand-diki: first diki-page

notes from irc

(15:46:21) kensanata: mattis^: what about it doesn’t work, though?
(15:46:49) kensanata: example: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/alex/Spam is a very small page
(15:47:00) kensanata: and it collects the most recent Spam day pages.
(15:47:13) kensanata: <journal “^\d\d\d\d-\d\d-\d\d.*Spam”>
(15:47:25) kensanata: or, to reverse the order, and not just list the last few ones:
(15:47:31) kensanata: <journal 9999 “^\d\d\d\d-\d\d-\d\d.*Spam” reverse>

MattisManzel: Obviously it works, me just too stupid, sorry. Thanks for help.

2006-05-18 11h19 FirstDikiPage

day-page of first diki-page for 2006-05-18.

MattisManzel 11:19 UTC:
We keep on imaginig that every contribution here’d be saved on an own time-stamped day-page.

What would be different. When editing you’d only edit a contribution, eiher your new page if you make a new one or another persons’ contribution when you fix a typo, correct a link or so (not talking about editing the document-mode wiki “mother-page” - here it would be first diki-page). For writing new signed text you always use a new tsdp (time-stamped day-page).

Advantage: It’s often horribly difficult to find a text passage on long wiki-pages. Even if you just want to correct a simple thing you hang there searching the screen for the place in the edit mode. Control + F textsearch doesn’t work in edit mode. Having pages on their own for every contribution would simplify this enormously.

Disadvantage: In edit-mode you do not see the whole text anymore and you need that as you need to reread it while editing. A serious problem.

I have seen on an oddmuse-wiki with the comment-function activated (it’s not activated here) a beautiful solution of this problem. I don’t remember where and do not find it though.
The edit window was below all the page text readable in regular read-mode above. Very elegant. Where was that? Could it be “faked in” here somehow? I fear we are about to reach the peak of what’s possible, eh? ;)

2006-05-17 08h25 FirstDikiPage

MarkDilley 08:25 UTC: Second diki page?

I still don’t understand how you can pull them out from each other. meaning why don’t they all just show up in the journal page?

MattisManzel 09:29 UTC: only the full calendar displays them all, all the others have “_Somehing” attached, this one here _FirstDikiPage. I do not use the “basic” day-pages (those without an attchement) at all. If you do not use them it works and you can seperate the day-page sets.

I magine these two contributions on this page on two different pages

[[2006-05-17_FirstDikiPage_08h25?]]

[[2006-05-17_FirstDikiPage_09h29?]]

the daypages inluded at the end of first diki-page add newest on top, here I’m just adding new stuf a he end. Naturally.

It’s useful to have new stuff add at the end of the document mode. It saves you hundreds of kilometers of scrolling over the year. But add new contributions on top would be silly. As every contribution is a page it should be possible to revert the sequence within he “day-frame” <== this is what still misses here. Some “programmational parenthesis” or so that reverts the reverted sequence of pages beginning with the same day in the title.

diki-page:

Document-mode text (wise, precious)

thread-mode

today

  • earlier contribution
  • later conribution
  • latest conribuion

yesterday

  • earlier contribution
  • later conribution
  • latest conribuion

the day before yesterday

  • earlier contribution
  • later conribution
  • latest conribuion

The only disadvantage is that out of a sudden when writing and saving your will continue on the day, because it turned midnight in Greenwich. But that should be readable I think. Like a book that starts on the last page and you read it through to the end, which is on the first page.

2006-05-15 15h44 FirstDikiPage

MattisManzel: With one search inclusion it somewhat works, Alex. At least one can read the summary. Adding a second comment it doesn’t anymore.

Ok, I retried with include and it works, journal looks promising. How could we automatically create timestamped day-pages? About the format: I tried 2006-05-13_19:21 but it doesn’t accept the colon, so I made it 2006-05-13_19_21 which looks stupid. I think it should have the seconds in it too, dunno.

ok, I see http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/oddmuse-en/GotoBar_Links_to_Diary_Page.

so I tried 2006-05-13_19h21, that’s why there’s a mess, but it seems to work. E X I T I N G

Ok, made a [TemplateForNewWikiPages? template for new wiki-pages]. Like it is now, all “comments” on time-stamped day-pages get attached to all wiki-pages (that are not day-pages). We need a way to tag the day-pages to include them only on one wiki-page (or several?)

For the terminology here

  • a day-page - a page with a date in the beginning of the title
  • a wiki-page - any page that is not a day-page

So every diki-page consist of

  • a wiki-page
  • a set of day-pages

a diki-page has its day-pages included as journal at the end of it. The wiki-pages are for document mode only on a diki. All commenting goes on on day-pages. Every comment is its own page.

2006-05-15_WikiPageName_15h39 - we need both informations: what page? + when? in the page-titel.

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