The first wiki-page-set with timestamped day-pages attached to
Here you would read the wise, wise refactored document-mode text about the topic of this page.
Here it would end.
first diki-page / talk was more the traditional approach of a talk-page.
To add a time stamped day-page entry below click
edit the first diki-page.
First diki page / calendar
The first diki page / wider calendar permits a wider view. The full calendar gives access to all day-pages.
May 2008 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
June 2008 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
July 2008 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
MattisManzel:
The day-page-based-wiki idea seems to fit in, finally - obm-wiki-hive / obm-wiki-center-en: talk / 2007-05-03.
MattisManzel: Some time ago there was the diki-idea. Coming back to it now. Lets see how the other day-page sets integrate.
MattisManzel: Ok, it seems possible, but not here.
from irc.freenode #oddmuse
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MattisManzel: the page collection has the right sequence for days. Maybe I can include it here
http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/SandDiki?action=collect;match=2006-05-18_FirstDikiPage
obviously no, it would be better directly on first diki-page anyhow.
MattisManzel: Ha! The inclusion works, I haven’t had to change a thing. Ha!
New day-pages add on top. As long as there is the same day as before it should add below though. Let’s see.
notes from irc
(15:46:21) kensanata: mattis^: what about it doesn’t work, though?
(15:46:49) kensanata: example: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/alex/Spam is a very small page
(15:47:00) kensanata: and it collects the most recent Spam day pages.
(15:47:13) kensanata: <journal “^\d\d\d\d-\d\d-\d\d.*Spam”>
(15:47:25) kensanata: or, to reverse the order, and not just list the last few ones:
(15:47:31) kensanata: <journal 9999 “^\d\d\d\d-\d\d-\d\d.*Spam” reverse>
MattisManzel: Obviously it works, me just too stupid, sorry. Thanks for help.
day-page of first diki-page for 2006-05-18.
MattisManzel 11:19 UTC:
We keep on imaginig that every contribution here’d be saved on an own time-stamped day-page.
What would be different. When editing you’d only edit a contribution, eiher your new page if you make a new one or another persons’ contribution when you fix a typo, correct a link or so (not talking about editing the document-mode wiki “mother-page” - here it would be first diki-page). For writing new signed text you always use a new tsdp (time-stamped day-page).
Advantage: It’s often horribly difficult to find a text passage on long wiki-pages. Even if you just want to correct a simple thing you hang there searching the screen for the place in the edit mode. Control + F textsearch doesn’t work in edit mode. Having pages on their own for every contribution would simplify this enormously.
Disadvantage: In edit-mode you do not see the whole text anymore and you need that as you need to reread it while editing. A serious problem.
I have seen on an oddmuse-wiki with the comment-function activated (it’s not activated here) a beautiful solution of this problem. I don’t remember where and do not find it though.
The edit window was below all the page text readable in regular read-mode above. Very elegant. Where was that? Could it be “faked in” here somehow? I fear we are about to reach the peak of what’s possible, eh? 
MarkDilley 08:25 UTC: Second diki page?
I still don’t understand how you can pull them out from each other. meaning why don’t they all just show up in the journal page?
MattisManzel 09:29 UTC: only the full calendar displays them all, all the others have “_Somehing” attached, this one here _FirstDikiPage. I do not use the “basic” day-pages (those without an attchement) at all. If you do not use them it works and you can seperate the day-page sets.
I magine these two contributions on this page on two different pages
[[2006-05-17_FirstDikiPage_08h25?]]
[[2006-05-17_FirstDikiPage_09h29?]]
the daypages inluded at the end of first diki-page add newest on top, here I’m just adding new stuf a he end. Naturally.
It’s useful to have new stuff add at the end of the document mode. It saves you hundreds of kilometers of scrolling over the year. But add new contributions on top would be silly. As every contribution is a page it should be possible to revert the sequence within he “day-frame” <== this is what still misses here. Some “programmational parenthesis” or so that reverts the reverted sequence of pages beginning with the same day in the title.
diki-page:
Document-mode text (wise, precious)
today
yesterday
the day before yesterday
The only disadvantage is that out of a sudden when writing and saving your will continue on the day, because it turned midnight in Greenwich. But that should be readable I think. Like a book that starts on the last page and you read it through to the end, which is on the first page.
MattisManzel: With one search inclusion it somewhat works, Alex. At least one can read the summary. Adding a second comment it doesn’t anymore.
Ok, I retried with include and it works, journal looks promising. How could we automatically create timestamped day-pages? About the format: I tried 2006-05-13_19:21 but it doesn’t accept the colon, so I made it 2006-05-13_19_21 which looks stupid. I think it should have the seconds in it too, dunno.
ok, I see http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/oddmuse-en/GotoBar_Links_to_Diary_Page.
so I tried 2006-05-13_19h21, that’s why there’s a mess, but it seems to work. E X I T I N G
Ok, made a [TemplateForNewWikiPages? template for new wiki-pages]. Like it is now, all “comments” on time-stamped day-pages get attached to all wiki-pages (that are not day-pages). We need a way to tag the day-pages to include them only on one wiki-page (or several?)
For the terminology here
So every diki-page consist of
a diki-page has its day-pages included as journal at the end of it. The wiki-pages are for document mode only on a diki. All commenting goes on on day-pages. Every comment is its own page.
2006-05-15_WikiPageName_15h39 - we need both informations: what page? + when? in the page-titel.