The day-page-set for the talk in the main wiki of the obm-wiki-hive
Or read the day-page-set "talk" with preceding explanations.

testing imported local names
Mattis Manzel:
Exciting! Let’s see:
kabo-wiki-hive - local-names-wiki
world-democracy-wiki - local names
force a refresh circumventing the cache

talk-feed
MattisManzel:
Introducing the talk-feed in the main wiki of the obm-wiki-hive.
Sam, what you think? Do the advantages of a talk-feed overweigh the fact that some will hesitate to write knowing that what they write is included somewhere else?
And yes, there should be some way of not having to copy in the header and the <br/> at the end for every day-page.
SamRose:
I think it is cool, the talk-feed, that is. The talk is already in a feed which may be copied elsewhere, if they are talking on a wiki. So, they should relax. Everything is already intermingled.
What do kensanata and TheSheep think about header and <br/> ? Maybe there is a way to change the code of OddMuse to avoid this?
MattisManzel:
There is no SideBar on the main obm-wiki yet, I wonder if we should have one. I put the MyBlogLog? recent visitors in the side bars of the other obm-wikis. Like that:
What do you think about enabling portraits here? I think it has worked well for CommunityWiki… --SamRose
MattisManzel:
Absolutely, yes. I din’t ask yet for the abscence of community and I’m not too fond of my 13 year old picture, that’s all. ;)
The diki-wiki-hive needs a question asker every few hours :)
Ok, q-asker is upon the diki-hive!
Coming next, [new:SamRose]
MattisManzel:
Idea: I want to see all faces of all wikis in a wiki-hive, all ideas behind the wikis in it, all people who help in it listed, all events in the wikis in a hive, all agendas of all personal wikis in a hive, all, all, all. All the wiki-nets.
2008-02-23: the pages have been moved from the main wiki to the obm-wiki-list
The pages are structured similar to the ObmWikiList:HiveList. That makes it compareable easy to adapt the pages when a new wiki was added or a when a wiki left. Still it’s some work to do but it’s worth it, I guess.
Hives should specialize, get a sound. Yes, like bands have a sound. Or maybe rather like concert halls bands play in have a sound. The New York Knitting Factory has a sound, true? Well, it had in the 90ies, dunno.
Hmm, same story in the kabo-wiki-hive: KaboWiki:2008-01-24_Talk.
I like the idea Mattis. It’s an experiment worth carrying out. Your different hive dimensions are more intuitive-sounding than our earlier experiments (like Wikicenter, etc). More people will get the metaphor behind “idea”, and “face”, “who helps” etc. So, Bravo! I like it. Makes sense.
What would make it easier for you, or a user to create those pages?
Sorry to be disengaged, many life troubles’ve been plaguing me lately.
Sam…
Fridemar has been posting quite a bit at Meatball on topics that I believe are consistent with some of your Open Business Model ideas. I’ve interacted a bit, but I am developing a strong preference to use an oddmuse WikiHive for some of the content, simply because I find that to be most productive. Obviously, I could invite him to post on the Hive I am now building, but I an concerned that this would ‘alienate’ some of the groups I have already committed to supporting.
If you see benefit in what he is struggling with, would you encourage him to work here?
– HansWobbe.
P.S. I just realized I probably put this in the wrong place, but I’m not sure where I should have put it. You should (of course) feel free to move it to whatever location in this hive you prefer and I’ll find it via the “hive-changes”.
some ideas for a multilingual hive
MattisManzel:
Recently I’ve been working on the basic hive set up for the kabo-wiki-hive. I did some things a bit different there than I did on oddwiki. Having the main-wiki at disposal changed things. I have made up some ideas for a multilingual hive that probably could work. Lemme present them:
The intention is to make people move from the main-level to the center-wiki for their language. Thats where all the topical pages go. We have no chance when we jam all languages together on the hive main wiki, I think.
The main level is composed of two wikis. A double-star, kinda.
1) The wiki called xxxx-wiki-hive (which is the actual main-wiki). It contains a multilingual sandbox pointing to the monolingual sandboxes and the sand-wikis. It contains the standard pages Startup, Status, and so on. It contains a blog, the major blog for the complete hive. All language communities run it together. The wiki xxxx-wiki-hive has no talk. It points to the center-wikis to talk.
2) The xxxx-wiki-list (which is an ordinary wiki in the namespace XxxxWikiList?). It has no blog but has a page talk. The talk is only about the maintenance of the list-wiki and the categorizing. It points to the center-wikis for general talk. The list-wiki has a day-page-set hive-list. It supplies the hive-list-feed. On wiki-net hive-lists you can see the local hive-list and hive-lists of other wiki-hives merged.
There is already a basis in French which I’d love to see elaborated and translated further - kabo-wiki-centre-fr. There is no obm-wiki-centre-fr on this hive yet. Not yet. ;) I suggest to first fix up the kabo-wiki-centre-fr and then easily copy it all over here.
Is it page accueil or page d’accueil, btw?
I guess I can live with the css change. I need to find a good banner. I like TheSheep css, and I want to help him develop it. And, I like what Mattis is doing with WikiHive design.
The only issues that I have with TheSheep css:
Figured out Sidebar issue. Just put a <br><br><br><br> at the top,and that moved the conent down.
Todo: set up smilies, and other Sheep art icons. And, bet a good banner/logo for OBM wiki
Sam:
This post is another initial step in working towards what I am calling BlikiNet?. It takes advantage of your offer to discuss these matter in this SocialSynergyWeb?.net site, at least to the extent that I am starting to post here.
For the record, I agree with your observation that a bliki is just a cascading set of Content and local styles. (I’ll refer back to your actual wording and adjust this since I know it slightly different and I want to ensure we get the basics right)
My current applied research into TransClusion suggests is beginning to ffocus on the specific needs of MicroContent blocks that are rendered in more than one environment.
… more later. (I’m being ‘interrupted’.)
P.S. It may be just my eyes, but I really cannot see hi-lited dates in the sidebar calendars.
Hans,
Yes, it will be fairly simple to set up a BlikiNet? for you, I think. I am still learning HwoStyle?, and your ideas about MicroContent. But, the more I look at it, the more I think it is quite interesting, and it looks like you already have a the basic workings of a system for MicroContent in a BlikiNet?. We can experiment around a bit with it. Would be interesting to get feedback from others as well.
Your eyes do not fool you, when I made adjustments to the style sheet, it somehow removed highlighting from the calendar. I’ll have to adjust it so that it shows clear highlighting again. Thanks for pointing that out. – SamRose
Sam,
I feel I am already learning quite a bit from just the bit of posting that I’ve beed doing here for the last couple of days. Since this is helping me clarify my thoughts regarding what I think I need, I suggest that we wait at least a few days while I make some notes that we can review as a basis for what we decide to do next.
I would also like to consider DavidCary’s interests in what I referred to as “mirroring”, as well as a few other aspects of what I am thinking of doing. For example …
That’s all, for this posting. – HansWobbe
I’m planning to test a more elaborate set of TransClusion(s), assuming that this might even lead to a form of “mirroring”.
Hans, your ideas has me thinking that:
This whole thing also makes me think about how Google distributes, mirrors, and serves it's search data. Also known as the Wikipedia:Google_File_System (GFS).
I have heard of ways to take different co-located Apache webservers and combine them into a distributed serving cluster. This is, I think, what we are really talking about here. UltraMonkey may be one sultion. But I have no experience setting that up. Although, that doesn’t mean we could not experiment with it and see what we can come up with.
See also:
http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/software/index.html
It would be interesting to have a conversation with Linux/UNIX admins who’ve already had experience with LinuxVirtualServer? to see what recommendations or feedback they might have.
UltraMonkey? is interesting, because it can cluster servers with any operating system to gether.
Sam; I just want to confirm that you will not mind my edits in this environment. – HansWobbe
hans, you are more than welcome to edit, contribute, etc. Thanks! -SamRose
This is a test for embedding video in OddMuse:
Testing WikiCalc TransClusion:
One of the ideas that I am exploring is an actual WikiHiveBusinessModel:
MattisManzel:
Moin Sam. For some reason the calendars are the right way around here - it’s on the oddwiki-hive they are twisted. TalkWiderCalendar
You’d especially hate to install the <br> module?
Another thing that works on oddwiki (with sheeps centralized css at least) since few days I find helpful is being able to make links bold. No idea why it works on oddwiki now. Sheep is doing hidden css-voodoo there, you know?
Editable page titles have to be surrounded by ==== here, === creates an annoying line.
“create these pages locally” at the end of the page is EditNearLinks. I see.
I’m currently short of wiki-ideas that clearly fit to “open business models”, so I wait. But I tried if starting a new name-space (wiki) seems to work. It seems to. Cool.
You can set up a hive, I can’t. That’s the difference.
… a sand-wiki. Every hive needs a sand-wiki.
I’m busy with oddwiki since a while doing several things pretty much different then the other little girls, you know that. You’re one of the very few ones who made me feel he followed what I’m doing and this is very important for me - the air is getting thin when flying high. So let’s talk (also VoIP) about some things I’d very much like to know your degree of acceptance. Remember this icon sketch Lion made? - “Oh, fine. Thanks!” (thinking grr, the bastard ruins the wiki). That’s LanguageFailure? and we are too clever for that, I think.
Consequent clean linking only on the major frame pages (Talk, Face, WikiNode, WikiNetFaces, WikiNetChanges, such). Go-as-you-please elsewhere. To make see how it could be like. It causes a fraction within, agree, which results in confusion and maybe less conributors. Nevertheless.
A frontpage is the front, Stirn in German, the upper part of the face of a wiki with the talking-face / blog attached at the end of it. A homepage is a home for a community / wiki on another wiki. Center-wiki have many homepages. Fine with renaming FrontPage to HomePage?
The amplitude of the hive. English open business models wikis. Other languages? Off-topic like a city-wiki, a band-wiki or such?
Is it better to use the main wiki as center-wiki for the hive or is it better to use an ordinary sub name-space? I’m not sure.
Oddwiki has downtimes here and now. I usually do the dishes or any of the other primary secondaries if it happens. Now there’s the obm-hive: :) - A big “Thanks!” for that.
Mattis, no problem creating this. Possibly will set one up for HansWobbe, too, if he’s interested.
I set up the http://oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/HTML for tags like <br/>, so that should be working now.
About the HomePage → FrontPage thing, I don’t want to do that here. Although, if I can figure out how to add code to the config file to make it so that it creates “FrontPage” instead of “HomePage” here, then I’ll definitely do that. It seems like it’s doable, I’ll check it out.
Would definitely be interested in talking with you, maybe some time this week?
MattisManzel:
Thanks for the line shift. It’s pretty long to type with the / in it. In popular text apps it’s shift + return, I mean.
Alex made both HomePage and FrontPage be a default front page for oddwikis, so it must be possible. I redirected FrontPage to HomePage for now.
Right away put a free title over days, even if it’s just silly as here, that‘s wiki-talk culture! It will be easier to make new pages, nice and clever pages out of a conversation. It will be more likely that people answer on a day-page started some days ago instead of feeling obliged to write on the exact day-page of today - they are not obliged to, I just want the current talk and with it the current seed for new pages to be on (or close to) the surface instead of 20.000 leagues under the ocean. I exaggerate e bit with tiltes now as I’m so happy to see them (no, that’s not a gun in my pocket. No.)
It would be inadequate to use the popular VoIP program with “s” for our first chat as it’s not open source. What else could we use? Gizmo or Wengo seem closer to what we imagine. Ekiga doesn’t run on your mac, I think.
Gizmo’s cool with me :) When would you like to do it?
Not sure I understand everything else you’re saying above. About “right away puta free title over days”. Can you please elaborate?
MattisManzel: k gizmo. We’ll just meet in irc.freenode #oddmuse and then talk. http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/SocialSynergy/2007-02-01_Talk is more likely to become something titled now, isn’t it? Also refine the title, it’s not carved down to CamelCase? yet. And even then you can still edit the clean linked title.
Couple of changes to StyleSheet for appearance of page. Will also adjust appearance of Calender, too. Input on StyleSheet welcome.
Per input by LionKimbro, I tried to keep basic elements of original StyleSheet, but make it more compatible with SideBar, so that text is not forced waaay down on the pages
Trying out ThreadMode Discussions on seperate “Discussion_on” pages for certain topics. I’ll link to those discussions on the bottom of such pages with “Discussion_on”
FacePages will automatically have a “Comments on this” link.
EditNearLinks: WikiNetChanges SisterSites CommunityWiki OddMuse Mattis Manzel TheSheep ThreadMode Sand-wiki-de SideBar kabo-wiki-hive - local-names-wiki hive-changes world-democracy-wiki - local names VoIP PinkoMarketing OddmuseToInkscape KnowledgeCommons sand-wiki-en OpenID CleanLinking EditNearLinks MicroFormat WikiHive local names NearLinks HiveListPages MicroContent DavidCary