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Archive 2007-08-26 Ting

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2007-08-26 Ting

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ma: moin

sh: hello hyper :) Mattis, meet hyper_ch, hyper_ch, meet Mattis Manzel. It usually takes some time to get rolling.

ma: hello, hyper.

hy: Interesting naming ‘ting’

ma: Just talked about it. The word “thing” derives from it, actually. Big ting.

hy: That’s what I suspected. The first time I heard the expression ‘ting’ was in law history classe in the 3rd year at university.

ma: Bundestag (German parliament) = tag = day also is connected. Tings were held on day-time.

hy: I don’t remember too much from it but I remember the Germans had different laws to apply at a ting depending on if someone was a German or a Roman - Romans were treated better if I remember correctly.

hy: so, what’s tonight’s subject?

ma: It’s all back in the mist of the past. The only who ever wrote about tings were the Romans. Ting had no written language as “new” tings have no spoken one (if you don’t fire up a VoIP app).

sh: The power of strong economy :) Ah, so they got to choose what to write about.

ma: We started talking ting, not bad. Also that I’m not alone with sheep is great. I like him a lot, I mean, but it’s better in three. Nine or twelve is even better. I guess, never’ve been part of a twelver-ting.

sh: If maxamillion comes online, I’ll invite him too. He’s been here once or twice already.

ma: D’accord. You use wikis, hyper, I suppose. Haven’t invited anybody this time.

sh: I got a request to write an article about wikis and business for the next issue of the Linux+ magazine in Poland. The deadline is 2007-08-28, so I’m not sure I’ll do it. I’ve found some attempts at similar article at meatball wiki, but pretty sketchy so far.

ma: Cool, hurry a bit - 28th is soon. Explicitely joking (for the lawyers): ripping meatball is fine, I guess. Change the words a bit. … For a good purpose.

sh: It’s creative commons share alike licence, in that case at least, but I didn’t intend to rip – I just wanted to collect some more information. If you have some other sources on your mind, I’m open to suggestions :)

ma: There’s all this talk about business - maybe some application exists even? I don’t know any. For their October wiki-wednesday in a hall in San Francisco socialtext invited a local non profit TV-staion who’s said to use wiki successfully. I searched but found no open wiki. Must be some stuff on Intranet. Could imagine though. TV-stations need wikis, sure.

sh: Some applications exist: http://sheep.art.pl/Notes_about_Wikis_in_Business Yes, wikis in business are mostly in intranets. That’s where they are the most powerful. Althought the IBM’s huge wiki is public: http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/dashboard.action

ma: I see, confluence, gotto try that. Noding IBM, hihi.

sh: It’s payware. No idea how they would react. You’d probably cause some meetings ;)

ma: Probably. Payware, that’s why confluence isn’t mentioned anywhere. ;)

sh: Mattis has this project of his called WikiNet, that is trying to bring the wiki communities closer together by making people on various wikis aware of wikis with similar topics.

hy: Is that possible?

sh: Definitely not for a single person.

ma: Wait and see! <HA!>. I’m making nice progress by connecting wiki-lists of center-wikis on the so called wiki-net-wiki-lists - see http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/ETerra/WikiNetWikiLists

sh: The first step is creating WikiNode pages on all the wikis in the world, with links to other WikiNodes on other wikis.

ma: True. Wiki-node contents could almost be automatically imported. The wiki-node is a repository of neighbors and possible neighbors.

hy: So it’s supposed to be some kind of Wiki-link-list?

ma: It’s a less egoistic way than telling “this is our entrance door”. It’s like the thing you clean your shoes on in front of somebody’s entrance door. You see this person’s door and you see the doors of the neighbors. It’s still part of the giant corridor. You could also rollerskate this corridor but never enter, hihi. Hmm, hyper is gone. Wonder if what he wrote is hypertext? (thanks a lot for joining, hyper!)

sh: /me clicks frantically

ma: Business isn’t too much of my cup of tea but maybe I can help nevertheless? How long is the text supposed to be?

The wiki-node is an intelligence test for wiki-founders if they understood wiki, too. If five people come and two of them wander off to a neighbor instead entering your wiki and three others come from neigbor’s wiki-nodes to your wiki … - naah, it’s more of a basic intelligence test, actually. Many fail it.

sh: wiki-maturity is hard to achieve.

ma: True. Let’s hope that it’s a bit like it is with cheeze.

An automatic basic set of wikis in a wiki-node for a wiki should be imaginable on the long run. Some few questions: yes, it is a wiki about food, yes it’s a wiki for a bakery and zack! - it fills up the wiki node with 40 links to wikis likely relevant. Long term music, k.

sh: You’ve seen the http://aboutus.org

ma: aboutus was a tuft of domains and confusing in the beginning and I didn’t get over that first impression yet. I should.

sh: I think that they basically try to do what you’re doing with wikis, only they do it with all the web sites. By the way, do you track the Universal Wiki Edit Button?

ma: not lately. Deciding for green was hard enough some weeks ago. I should do that too. It’s a difficult thing they try. So easy to make people feel run over. I mirrored the icon as I write from the left to the right. I think that’s discussable. It said “don’t mirror it!” soon afterwards, and I felt run over. The only argument was “that’s how it always gets done”. It would have been a good chance to correct something that always gets done wrong, I mean.

sh: “standards” and “branding” are extra hard in collaboration, because you have to agree to exactly one solution. Any changes will only dilute the result.

ma: dilute true, not destroy though. Seeing dozens of mirrored icons on the wikis I started might make some people think. It will be still understood. Apart I’m ready to swap to green and right-handed Arabian / Hebrew writing (though I write English). Just the green icon on about.us is too small for my purpose and the corners are not round and I don’t know how to change mine from orange to green. Else I’d be done already.

I’m looking forward to see the colors remain in the wiki-export. This is going to be exiting. It will much better transport the fact that it was writen in real-time with all participants all the time having access to every part of the text. Many people don’t get that now, they think it’s an irc log with surprisingly few typos or so.

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