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Archive 2007-07-29 Ting

2007-07-29 Ting, 18:00 UTC

Also open the document “2007-07-29_Summary” and help summarizing already during the ting, please.

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ma: good evening, ting.
sh: good, ting evening.

ma : well, let’s see. sh: we’ll let S. see.

ma: Parrot mode today, k, got it. The chat on gizmo yesterday was nice. First time I heard MarkDilley talk. Lion thinks helping on summarizing on community-wiki what goes on in neighboring communities a bit would help and I agree. Before a community shows a face it is shown what face is at all. A pitty community-wiki has no face itself. It has a blog, ok. but what’s a blog anyways? Everybody has such nowadays ;) Else we talked about about.us. Gotta take a deeper look, really. The universal edit button is a great attempt, but other than that I didn’t get that there are people on about.us. The recent changes are full of edits for domain collection. Gaa! Seems untingy weather. But let’s take it slow.

sh: Sorry :) I think that Mark promised me to tell about about.us one day, but I forgot about that. I don’t fully understand it either, but it seems they are describing all the web pages. Something like WikiIndex, but for all web pages.

ma: at least it is really rediculously bad how little we automatically inform each other about the ongoings in our and neighboring wikis. Not informing about all wikis, but those the community finds interesting.

sh: I think it’s very hard to talk in the name of the community. Even Lion, who’s a pro, feels awkward and asks if it’s ok.

ma: true. That was mentioned. I thought about a not automtically syndicated page draft for the next day-page “face”. It is worked on by all until - after few days - it’s copied to a syndicated “face” day-page. Giving space for the next draft. Would be nice.

sh: Most of the time I only watch the recent changes on community wiki, sometimes, when there is something interesting, I try to add some meaningful comment. Sometimes when I find something interesting and related, I write about it – but that’s all, and I think that most of us are like that recently. Ok, we can revert spam, because that’s pretty basic, but that’s all the housekeeping that’s required. The less, the better.

ma: hi bpt.

bt: hello mattis

ma: how high flies the lark?

bt: I haven’t made any user-visible changes in the past few days (working on other things). I’ll probably release it under a free license soon (I’m already sending copies to interested people). There’s also an Emacs client now, so it doesn’t require a web browser and it’s more suitable for pair programming.

sh: any chance for vim? ;)

bt: maybe. I’ll see how easy it is to extend vim.

ma: bpt, when you are testing it I’d like to be with it (if not too difficult to install).

sh: It’s not necessary to install at all, it works on a web page. Aaargh! It’s a tragedy :( I ran out of burnt siena :(

ma: Sorry. Gotta take a deeper look on writing-lark too. Wait til I finally get glasses! Siena is not too far from here sheep. I send you some and you burn it yourself.

Excuse me for asking, bpt, just as I have problems with that: How cross-platform is the writing-lark? In our chat yesterday there was laughing about gobby’s mac installation again (and I laughed along, joked along with it, but it hurt innerly. The ting left MoonEdit a year ago or so to finally arrive where it had been before).

Another idea that came up yesterday - which I thought was neat - was paying communities for the ad traffic they generate. The wiki has ads the people gently ignore and the income goes to the communities. Likely a community won’t create a revenue, but maybe it will earn 50 ct. “Likely they will never check it out” lion said, “they’ll rather donate it to the server hosting” I said. And if a community didn’t do anything but create ad-traffic for 50 ct they did at least s o m e t h i n g together. Would make people proud, I guess.

bt: It’s not necessary to install a dedicated writinglark client if you have a modern web browser (Firefox 2.0 or anything with a Flash plugin), and it’s pretty easy to install the server. As for cross-platformness, the client works on any platform with a suitable web browser or with Emacs.

ma: k, I see. Flash is very common, but not really “freedom” in itself. Something free will come earlier or later. Looking forward for the first lark testings.

sh: and you don’t need the live web preview. You have the live real thing right away :)

bt: Right, Flash is unfortunately proprietary, which is why I wrote a plain-Javascript client and an Emacs client. There is Gnash, but it doesn’t work very well yet (barely enough to play Youtube videos, if I remember correctly).

bt: btw, I just found the wiki for the SaturdayHouse? thing Lion has been mentioning on his blog and on CW: http://communitywiki.org/odd/House/HomePage (also http://www.saturdayhouse.org/). It sounds interesting – sort of like a real-life ting (:

sh: I can confirm that this house thing is very likely to work – I remember being the most creative when I just spent hours doing nothing on the University, looking at what my friends do and talking. There must be something to it.

ma: ah, that kind of thing it is. These often work, true.

ma: dn rocks! (remember this is very public, dn), Hi! (Gobby flashes when someone enters a ting, cool)

dn: hello! I wonder – when I joined, all colors were occupied.

sh: Hi dut!

ma: Some login-bitching of gobby, for a while you could not login back with the same color (and name). When you changed it you could.

dn: I think I can’t see occupied or available colors while picking one?

ma: Didnt’t try that for a while. Gobby logs in fine for me with the color and name I picked.

sh: You could check on http://ting.sheep.art.pl/ but the gobby itself doesn’t allow that. Trial and error :)

dn: It’s bad that you can’t do it in gobby ;-)

sh: It’s dut’s fault for being conformist and not picking an own color, just trying to use the default that was already used by the conformist bpt ;)

ma: the real anarchists pick black anyhow. Dark background are pretty annoying to read.

sh: I wonder where does it come from – with the anarchists and black. It’s kind of weird.

ma: This “temporary messaging” by writing lol’s and erasing them soon afterwards is a new text aspect and hasn’t been explored enough yet. Imagine 15 good people doing it. One more reason for moon edit’s full history. A “ting is really a movie. It has a static result, but the process is the fun too. Cut it together on the 25 seconds of “temporary messaging” (= bad term, must be shorter). Thanks to dn we see the “correction threshold” lower down. This is another plus of ting, I think. You learn, if you were corrected on the same mistake three times within 15 seconds after you made the mistake.

bt: not sure, sh, but anarchists were using black flags and black and red flags in the 19th century, according to http://www.infoshop.org/faq/append2.html

sh: Interesting, thanks bpt

ma: black-yellow and black-red are also the classical “warning danger!” color-combinations in nature, wasps, toxic bugs and such. Street signs use that. Why shouldn’t anarchists as well? Though, not sure if that is the intention.
At least, if you look at ideas in terms of “how much air they have under their feet” anarchism is a hovercraft, communism a carpet (probably a flying carpet, just nobody found the magic word yet) and capitalism a Tin Lizzy with three of four tires flat. :)

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