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2006-12-02

Christophe, you tried to change the CSS page on the main wiki. Did you have something particular in mind? The theme you picked still needs some work to be usable. It doesn’t specifiy how the sidebar should be handled, for example. Since it didn’t look too good, I deleted the CSS page again. Let me know what you want to change. – AlexSchroeder

MattisManzel: On oddwiki-center: talk / 2006-12-02 I noticed that. Thanks for reverting, Alex. I thought it was quite beautiful already, just the sidebar that didn’t work. Maybe we should experiment with some css’ for the main-level? We can always remove it again. I have no experience except copying Laurent’s css into oddwikis. That one is rather not utile for the main level, I guess.

AlexSchroeder: You can always do local experiements yourself by using the css parameter. Example:

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd?action=browse;id=2006-12-02;css=http://emacswiki.org/css/cali.css

Return:

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd?action=browse;id=2006-12-02;css=

Or you can put it on a page such as OddWikiCenter:CssExperiment and then use:

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd?action=browse;id=2006-12-02;css=http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/OddWikiCenter/raw/CssExperiment?type=text/css

Return:

http://www.communitywiki.org/odd?action=browse;id=2006-12-02;css=

There you go.

Your own little CSS experiment!

MattisManzel: I was thinking about a css-sand-wiki already today, somewhere to wildy try out on the css. That’s what I obviously have to do.

Quite since the days of the first fete d’internet when xtof made his wiki I have a problem with certain wikis. When on them scrolling pages is slow as if something overloaded the cpu or so. When I go to the wikis and read everything behaves normal. But as soon as I enter edit mode the scrolling get’s slow, even the cursor on the old PIII laptop I currently also use. It remains slow when I quit the edit mode.

The problematic wikis are

How come? It appears on both my average boxes both in Berlin and in Italy. Has someone else recognized something similar?

AlexSchroeder: Maybe a particular CSS instruction that slows down rendering? That seems like a plausible explanation, since once you’re on the edit page, all the action happens in your browser, locally, until you click a button or a link.

Did you find the problem?

ChristopheDucamp : Will try to have a small wiki-biking with LaurentLunati within two weeks. Hope it could help. For the moment, I removed css on my PersonalWiki and feel naked. It’s cold here ;) At work, I’ve just an IE browser and no choice for any alternative… Nothing to do. I used to love my old css offered by Laurent which worked quite well in my oldschool browser. Let’s say now I cannot even work on BarCampBank?-bliki with the fresh new css just installed by SamRose. Mattis, I loved this old wiki-css design and feel now a bit sad : Laurent produced great efforts to help on blikis. But his motivation is difficult to strengthen when there’s absolutely no business, no sponsor. I really think money remains the key-problem to help us and drive any css-creativity, debugging and professionalism. My question would be how could we stimulate future wiki-css-designers ? Still dreaming of a BarCampBank? help for any NonProfit? effort in css-wiki-design. WikiBlogging should be stimulated to help the WikiWay. Sorry to be pessimistic, but I’m currently feeling obliged on a professional point of view to give up. Despite my WikiLove?, I’ll probably adopt soon a blogfarm in my business to make people work and cooperate. With a strong hope we could find soon a solution with Sam for next year… Cheers.

MattisManzel: No, I did not find the problem. Don’t worry xtof, I can edit these wikis and I did in the last months. It’s just a bit inconvenient with the slow scrolling, so don’t worry. I doubt that it has something to do with my specific setup or connection, but who knows? Someone else recognized this?
Say thanks to Laurent again and tell him about the problems I have, he might understand how comes. I don’t. Aren’t they concerned about security in the company not to let you install a firefox? I didn’t try IE7 yet, it renders oddwiki better, I heard.

AlexSchroeder: All I know is that RadomirDopieralski on #oddmuse lives in Poland and does CSS design work for DanielMacKay in Canada and gets well paid, as far as I can tell. If the wiki owners are willing to invest some money in it, CSS designers will get paid.

ChristopheDucamp: Laurent will be in Paris on 19th December. We will speak of CSSDesign and I’ll show him the little troubles I meet on my work-machine… Still convinced he could get paid well by corporate organizations and other alternative solutions like this tontine which could be dedicated to help on public projects. @Mattis I cannot understand security-decision in my company about browsers and don’t mind anymore ;) My real dream would be to find out any people able to share experience of “high security environments” and the way to convince IT management to adopt internal wikis. That’s the reason why I’ll try probably to organize a meeting in France with some BarCampBank?ers like CharlesNepote?. Charles has a significative experience of wikis and security environments ? All contacts would be welcome to help. And I’m still optimistic : ready to pay for integrated compatbile solutions. Agree with Alex that css designers will get paid. Because there is no alternative : private and public wikis will soon come to help all of us to drive our business ;) Cheers all.

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