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[de] [en] [fr]Feeds provided by the community-wiki:
→ or
= is included into the page in the community-wiki
Main feeds:
changes-feed
changes
feeds-complete-feed
feeds complete
full-changes-feed
full changes
soup-feed
soupFeeds provided by the day-page-sets in the community-wiki:
day-page-sets-feed
day-page-sets
face-feed
face
local-names-feed
local page names
periphery-feeds-feed
periphery feeds
talk-feed
talk
who-help-feed
who help
wiki-feeds-feed
wiki feeds
wiki-idea-feed
wiki idea
wiki-net-feed
wiki-netThe ‘combinations of day-page-sets’:
MattisManzel:
Removed the soup-via-soup.io-feed.
[de] [en] [fr]Feeds provided by the periphery of connected web-services associated with the community-wiki and by the search queries in it:
or → = is included into the page in the community-wiki
Feeds provided by user accounts for the community-wiki on web-services importing its
soup:
More feeds in the periphery of connected web-services:
bit.ly-community-wiki-feed
→ bit.ly community-wiki
delicious-tag-CommunityWiki-feed
+ delicious-popular-CommunityWiki-feed
→ delicious tag CommunityWiki
groups-community-wiki-feed
groups community-wiki
Mµs-tag-CommunityWiki-feed
Mµs tag CommunityWiki
Mµs-with-community-wiki-feed
Mµs with community-wiki
MattisManzel:
Removed the entire section friends community-wiki and a few more feeds.
[de] [en] [fr]to keep our connected web-services updated
In order to keep our connected web-services updated I repost yesterday’s conversation with Alex here. SamRose set up a minute-page based wiki back in 2007 that would circumvent the “one day-page-post a day into the connected web-services only problem”. I mixed up days and minutes back then and called it diki (day-page based wiki), it should have been miki …
Yesterday’s talk:
I’m not quite sure why I insist trying to make a facebook group work, that includes the soup of the community-wiki. Probably it works (even better) without. I thought I could try to strip the soup of the wiki from the group feed with the yahoo - pipes community-wiki - facebook group community-wiki no soup but the feed by facebook’s groups to rss itself is weird. Not a success yet, rather a silly idea. Got to go shopping now, grr.
Later, before 20012 is done I’ll clean up the mess I created so Alex feels a little better.
Un buon capodanno a tutti!
Interesting discovery on the way: The tumblr-community-wiki-feed contains the user icons, cool! For a test I just included the feed into facebook - community-wiki. With a little luck I might even get posts from the community-wiki with user icons returning back from facebook on the page facebook community-wiki. Maybe I have to wait til next year to see the first community-wiki user icon in facebook. But that’s only 9 hours to go 
Please reread 2012-06-18 Talk, Mattis.
“Holy cow what a mess of links and feeds and icons and InterWiki names. Mattis, does anybody use this beyond yourself? Itâs confusing as hell. Iâm already finding myself alienated from RecentChanges on CommunityWiki since I no longer understand what the pages say, for whom they are written, or what the benefit for people like me is.
Whatâs the goal, here? Better networking? Networking is not a goal per se. It must be networking between various people. Who are these people? I donât feel like Iâm a part of this network. Who is sitting at the other end of all these connections?”
I use RecentChanges as a tool, Mattis. I use it to monitor the changes on this wiki. I use this wiki because I care about the topic. It seems that as soon I create five pages that are on topic, you edit twenty pages that are about networking this site into other sites—but nobody joins the fucking conversation. Instead, I can’t find my own fucking words on RecentChanges anymore.
Please, Mattis. Before we do any networking we need to have a conversation here. And I mean here, on this site, using our RecentChanges. I don’t care about importing tumblr, Facebook, Twitter and who knows what else. I’ve never seen more conversation because of this networking. All I have seen is less of the very little conversation that happens.
I feel like I have to use stronger language, in your face language, to get through to you. It pains me to write like this. I tried ignoring it. I tried telling you that the experiment failed. I thought Oddwiki would allow you to do your thing on your own site. Half a year ago I tried telling you that it looked like the work of a madman. This time, I am mad. What the fuck is going on, Mattis?
Community Wiki is practically dead. Connecting the unconscious corpse to other sites doesn’t help. All these pages with imported feeds—have you looked at them and found interesting conversation? If you did—and I never did the handful of times I tried—why didn’t you copy it onto a separate page so we could talk about it here? All you have done is inserted little machines into the dead body. Instead of resting in peace, Community Wiki is twitching with feeds that do not provide nourishment, turning it into a Zombie, and it’s all there on RecentChanges.
Think of it this way: If a person is interested in Community Wiki, don’t you think they want to see the small number of on topic pages in their RSS feed? They are not interested in changes to pages that link to other sites that have nothing to say.
Half a year ago you said “This is a jam session. We donât know what it all means.” I think my anger has helped me see that this is not what I want this site to be. If I want a jam session where I don’t know what it means I assume I could find it on 4chan or some other site. I still think that this site has a topic. I still think the pages here have value. “We donât know what it all means” is not an excuse to do whatever we like.
Half a year ago you said “but it surely is for a good purpose. Iâm repeating what I did before with the usual slight improvement on odd-wiki-hive.” I don’t you mean well. I feel I need to take a stand and tell you that I don’t see the benefit. I don’t see it. This is not the odd-wiki-hive. I’m not interested in the odd-wiki-hive.
Some links:
I don’t know what to do, Mattis. I like you. I like your positive attitude. I like to see you hang out on IRC. I like your enthusiasm for your interconnected wiki hive. Perhaps you’re pulling in the direction of SmallFederatedWiki and I’m not seeing it. Perhaps I’m shutting you down even though you’re on the right track. For all of that, I’m sorry. My problem is and remains, however, that I’m not seeing it. I’d like to see some conversation, first. Some positive feedback before continuing this mad tower of interconnected feeds.
Perhaps I’m also totally wrong. In that case, perhaps we should have a vote in the CommunityWikiAssembly?
Unfortunately I did some major edits to the community-wiki during my recent engagement, it’s true that these edits deviate from the wiki’s clear topic. Sorry for that. Imagine the works ready (like in a few days, no major edits anymore) and the hearing threshold level of the RecentChanges dropped back to normal. You can:
Wouldn’t that be of advantage?
I didn’t make it to remove some mess I created while still in 2012 but I started this morning with removing the baroque double inclusions via friendfeed and the entire friends community-wiki section. I overdid on some occasions when making things up. A little rowing back here and now is normal.
And is working on a framework that makes cross service platform communication easier that off topic?
No bad feelings, Alex. I have plenty of wikis to work on, thanks again for setting up the hives for me. Sure, I’d be interested in feedback on what I made up from the brains gathered on community-wiki. Such lacks on my wikis.
Good idea with the assembly vote btw.
[de] [en] [fr]Un buon capodanno a tutti!
I’m not quite sure why I insist trying to make a facebook group work, that includes the soup of the community-wiki. Probably it works (even better) without. I thought I could try to strip the soup of the wiki from the group feed with the yahoo - pipes community-wiki - facebook group community-wiki no soup but the feed by facebook’s groups to rss itself is weird. Not a success yet, rather a silly idea. Got to go shopping now, grr.
Later, before 20012 is done I’ll clean up the mess I created so Alex feels a little better.
Un buon capodanno a tutti!
Interesting discovery on the way: The tumblr-community-wiki-feed contains the user icons, cool! For a test I just included the feed into facebook - community-wiki. With a little luck I might even get posts from the community-wiki with user icons returning back from facebook on the page facebook community-wiki. Maybe I have to wait til next year to see the first community-wiki user icon in facebook. But that’s only 9 hours to go 
Please reread 2012-06-18 Talk, Mattis.
“Holy cow what a mess of links and feeds and icons and InterWiki names. Mattis, does anybody use this beyond yourself? Itâs confusing as hell. Iâm already finding myself alienated from RecentChanges on CommunityWiki since I no longer understand what the pages say, for whom they are written, or what the benefit for people like me is.
Whatâs the goal, here? Better networking? Networking is not a goal per se. It must be networking between various people. Who are these people? I donât feel like Iâm a part of this network. Who is sitting at the other end of all these connections?”
I use RecentChanges as a tool, Mattis. I use it to monitor the changes on this wiki. I use this wiki because I care about the topic. It seems that as soon I create five pages that are on topic, you edit twenty pages that are about networking this site into other sites—but nobody joins the fucking conversation. Instead, I can’t find my own fucking words on RecentChanges anymore.
Please, Mattis. Before we do any networking we need to have a conversation here. And I mean here, on this site, using our RecentChanges. I don’t care about importing tumblr, Facebook, Twitter and who knows what else. I’ve never seen more conversation because of this networking. All I have seen is less of the very little conversation that happens.
I feel like I have to use stronger language, in your face language, to get through to you. It pains me to write like this. I tried ignoring it. I tried telling you that the experiment failed. I thought Oddwiki would allow you to do your thing on your own site. Half a year ago I tried telling you that it looked like the work of a madman. This time, I am mad. What the fuck is going on, Mattis?
Community Wiki is practically dead. Connecting the unconscious corpse to other sites doesn’t help. All these pages with imported feeds—have you looked at them and found interesting conversation? If you did—and I never did the handful of times I tried—why didn’t you copy it onto a separate page so we could talk about it here? All you have done is inserted little machines into the dead body. Instead of resting in peace, Community Wiki is twitching with feeds that do not provide nourishment, turning it into a Zombie, and it’s all there on RecentChanges.
Think of it this way: If a person is interested in Community Wiki, don’t you think they want to see the small number of on topic pages in their RSS feed? They are not interested in changes to pages that link to other sites that have nothing to say.
Half a year ago you said “This is a jam session. We donât know what it all means.” I think my anger has helped me see that this is not what I want this site to be. If I want a jam session where I don’t know what it means I assume I could find it on 4chan or some other site. I still think that this site has a topic. I still think the pages here have value. “We donât know what it all means” is not an excuse to do whatever we like.
Half a year ago you said “but it surely is for a good purpose. Iâm repeating what I did before with the usual slight improvement on odd-wiki-hive.” I don’t you mean well. I feel I need to take a stand and tell you that I don’t see the benefit. I don’t see it. This is not the odd-wiki-hive. I’m not interested in the odd-wiki-hive.
Some links:
I don’t know what to do, Mattis. I like you. I like your positive attitude. I like to see you hang out on IRC. I like your enthusiasm for your interconnected wiki hive. Perhaps you’re pulling in the direction of SmallFederatedWiki and I’m not seeing it. Perhaps I’m shutting you down even though you’re on the right track. For all of that, I’m sorry. My problem is and remains, however, that I’m not seeing it. I’d like to see some conversation, first. Some positive feedback before continuing this mad tower of interconnected feeds.
Perhaps I’m also totally wrong. In that case, perhaps we should have a vote in the CommunityWikiAssembly?
Unfortunately I did some major edits to the community-wiki during my recent engagement, it’s true that these edits deviate from the wiki’s clear topic. Sorry for that. Imagine the works ready (like in a few days, no major edits anymore) and the hearing threshold level of the RecentChanges dropped back to normal. You can:
Wouldn’t that be of advantage?
I didn’t make it to remove some mess I created while still in 2012 but I started this morning with removing the baroque double inclusions via friendfeed and the entire friends community-wiki section. I overdid on some occasions when making things up. A little rowing back here and now is normal.
And is working on a framework that makes cross service platform communication easier that off topic?
No bad feelings, Alex. I have plenty of wikis to work on, thanks again for setting up the hives for me. Sure, I’d be interested in feedback on what I made up from the brains gathered on community-wiki. Such lacks on my wikis.
Good idea with the assembly vote btw.
[de] [en] [fr]a face post with a user icon in it
To possibly make a first community-wiki user icon appear on facebook - community-wiki still in 2012 - there are only 5 hours left of it - this is a face post with a user icon in it.
Probably the icon even goes into the page facebook community-wiki. Exiting!
More to come next year.

[de] [en] [fr]changes + day-page-sets = soup
For a try after a long while this is another talk post in the community-wiki.
The talk is one of the day-page-sets, therefore it includes the full text. The changes instead include the summary of the page only.
Both changes and day-page-sets make the
soup of the community-wiki.
I’m going to start simplifying the Community Wiki infrastructure (wiki extensions, feeds, all that stuff) in order to make it leaner and meaner. I’m not going to replace the wiki by static pages, but I will start removing links to the various experiments we had.
Today, for example, I will be removing RecentNearChanges?.
[de] [en] [fr]Feeds provided by the community-wiki:
→ or
= is included into the page in the community-wiki
Main feeds:
changes-feed
changes
feeds-complete-feed
feeds complete
full-changes-feed
full changes
soup-feed
soupFeeds provided by the day-page-sets in the community-wiki:
day-page-sets-feed
day-page-sets
face-feed
face
local-names-feed
local page names
periphery-feeds-feed
periphery feeds
talk-feed
talk
who-help-feed
who help
wiki-feeds-feed
wiki feeds
wiki-idea-feed
wiki idea
wiki-net-feed
wiki-netThe ‘combinations of day-page-sets’:
MattisManzel:
Added the [[soup-via-soup.io-feed?]].
[de] [en] [fr]
As I find myself reverting spam again, and not seeing any other edits, I get the feeling that it might be a good idea to put the wiki back into the fishbowl. Anybody still needs to edit pages?
I’m also thinking that maybe I’ll switch off all these feeds and inclusions. They’re eating cycles and feeding global warming without doing any good as far as I am concerned. Is anybody relying on them?
low soup.io wiki
Well, true, my feeds melt Greenland, cool. 
I’ve been experimenting a lot recently and figured out a way to build the feeds (almost) without using soup.io. They update within ~ ½ an hour now, with soup.io it took nine hours to update (if at all). I’d like to apply that new mode to the community-wiki also to hear if it reduces the meltdown of Greenland a little.
A recent low soup.io wiki I started is the soup-wiki.
I’ve also been experimenting with my personal wiki. Personal wikis need a swap of the soup and the face it seems. The face-feed of the Mattis-Manzel-wiki goes out into a bunch of web-services.
2 hours later: No such pipe, or this pipe has been deleted on yahoo - pipes community-wiki - soup. f…, I love that!
Apart of that, I just remember: plain day-pages without _Face or _Talk etc. attached mess up the multiple feed structure. I’m moving this to the _Talk page for today.
Another half an hour later: the yahoo pipe is back. Djins knibbling on the wires probably.
[de] [en] [fr]
friendfeed with community-wiki
The page [[friendfeed_with_community-wiki,_explained?]], I thought, might be useful to discover where the community-wiki has been mentioned recently. I also wanted to test again how our personal avatars - DenotingAuthor - are conveyed. I think I had seen them somewhere on posterous - community-wiki a few days ago, I’m not sure.
Define external redirect: soup-via-soup.io-feed RecentNearChanges soup via soup.io friendfeed with community-wiki, explained