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Please keep encyclopedic facts about MoonEdit up to date on en.wikipedia: MoonEdit, de.wikipedia: MoonEdit.

MoonEdit is a collaborative editor like SubEthaEdit. It's free as in beer, and runs on Windows & Linux.

see screenshots of MoonEdit

http://moonedit.com/
http://me.sphere.pl/indexen.htm

see also the TransporterRoom. s23-wiki: MoonEdit is another page on this piece of software.

more programs for collaborative text editing (moonedit is listed under the old name Multi-Editoro there).

It is not yet established here whether:

We can hope that at least one of the three will be true.

This program is a major step forward for Free and Open Source Software development, regardless.

Combined with VoiceOverInternetProtocol and/or a SharedWebBrowser? and/or Jabber, it's absolutely breathtaking.

The next step is a GroupUserInterface which can frame and connect all these things together.

Applications of moon-edit in combination with wiki:

Why is this Important?

You don't use MoonEdit to chat- you use Jabber or InternetRelayChat for chatting.

Instead, you use MoonEdit to maintain summaries, lists of questions, artifacts that come out of discussion.

When you're all done, you have a nice summary of everything you talked about, already made. That includes all the URL's that people mentioned, and details that people mentioned, all there and in place.

Discussion

This is huge. This is absolutely amazing.

I'm shocked that we have this technology so soon; I thought we were going to see it somewhere around 2006, at the earliest. (See Lion's Timeline from 2004.) That said, we aren't beating the timeline; The timeline talks about broad adoption. It'll still be a while before the protocol is hashed out, people understand how it works, there are multiple implementations, yadda yadda yadda. But, this is still very promising. {:)}=

I may need to push OverHear predictions earlier, into 2006, or even, 2005.

That said, I don't think I can push HiveMind predictions earlier than 2011: We live in the future. All of us, we live about 3-5 years into the future, beyond what mainstream America uses. My mom still does not have a blog, or understand why it would be useful, much less a wiki.

I think it's reasonable to believe that by 2010, though, most people should be using VoiceOverInternetProtocol, Automatic Calendaring, wiki, blogs, MoonEdit or its child, etc., etc., and that the technical infrastructure will be integrated with texting devices, the tablet PCs, cell phones, etc., etc.,.

At this point, the HiveMind must be on people's mind, and we'll start to see the movies rolling out about it. It'll be dramatically clear that we are living change.

By this point, O'Rielly shall be a mostly online thing, being basically a negotiator for the refinement of authors' texts, and managing payments from techies (of more flavors than just programmers) to the authors of works and the editors and on and on.

So interesting,… So interesting…

What am I doing; This belongs on the Futures wiki.

At any rate: Download MoonEdit, try it out, it's amazing.

Lion is quite right, amazing! I've been horsing around in moon-edit for two days now. It's quite solid but keeps a touch of impermanent and metababy. Seems the guys did not quite get yet, what they invented there. It's fun to see people discover it, there was a great typing speed contest the other evening. I love that it's is so playful - a good sign. I hope for serious wiki-integration soon. The win version is far better developed at the moment, it seems. :(


The windows version seems to run on Wine though, with minor issues:

I think comparing this to SubEthaEdit is slightly misleading. I use SEE as a general-purpose text (and code) editor on my Macs. I can't imagine ever coding with MoonEdit (even if someone were to port it); on the other hand, ME seems to have a more robust, persistent, and useful network interface, not as tied to Rendezvous (which only really seems useful if you're sitting on a fairly large, densely populated subnet.)

I probably shouldn't make blanket judgments without sitting in on a live session rather than just reading transcripts, but I'm really not sure I see the point of shared text editing in its current form. How is this better than an IRC log? – JeffCarroll

JeffCarroll?:

You use MoonEdit to maintain a table and summary while having a meeting.

You don't use MoonEdit to chat- you use Jabber or IRC for something like that.

But:

  • As people think of things they want to talk about, they list it in MoonEdit.
  • As side-discussion comes up, you table it on MoonEdit for getting back to.
  • When someone's in the middle of explaining something, and you get a question, you table that as well.
  • As you talk about things, you note it as a summary point on MoonEdit.

When you're all done, you have a nice summary of everything you talked about, already made. That includes all the URL's that people mentioned, and details that people mentioned, all there and in place.

That's why this is so incredibly useful.

I notice that as of 2005-01-06 there is a version of MoonEdit for Linux and FreeBSD, in addition to that for Windows 98/NT/XP. Now if we can get him a Macintosh so he can do an OSX version ;-)

So what LionKimbro is saying above is: IRC is the conference room where everybody talks. MoonEdit is the whiteboard where they jot down their ideas during the meeting.

Hi Robin. I think moon-edit can largely replace IRC. I proposed a "two windows solution" in the TransporterRoom for the first ting-session on monday 2 PM GMT.

I invite people to the first ting and they tell me they use mac and so can not participate. This is unbearable. Someone said as there's a FreeBSD-client for moon-edit the mac version will follow. Can one somehow make this process accelerate?

JulianKrause is putting together CoEd, which should run on any platform.

The ultimate communication system for the Ting, I think, is… voice! With either a Skype conference (limit 4 people), or a TeamSpeak gathering (which I hear has much higher limits.)

That said, I generally prefer to have an IRC or IM-chat channel as well.

Using MoonEdit to chat, you have to keep moving your cursor to the bottom of the screen; I personally much prefered using IRC or Jabber for one channel, and MoonEdit for minutes.

For diagrams, we've had some success with the Coccinella. We've had some failure with it too- It was randomly bumping of JulianKrause when we used it.

Ideally, we'd have a GroupUserInterface. One day! It feels like being a pilot in a cockpit, talking with people in today's fragmented setup.

We are currently developing a similar solution after the developper of MoonEdit tried to piss us off when we wanted to talk with him about open sourcing it. Sorry to say it in this words, but he was really bitching around. |: The progress is that we have a preliminary curses client as a sneak preview based on libobby, our library written in C++, which handles the synchronisation. If you have got some time to spare and want to help us writing a cooler client, feel free to mail us at crew@0x539.de. – Philipp Kern

Hi phillip. Make a wiki on odd-wiki for the project, mail sux. Tom is a very collaborative guy to my expierence. It ain't easy to opensource a work of a year and a half, know? Though I absoutely agree that it would be clever, sure. Tom was on ting-wiki: ting10 yesterday and helpful as usual. Maybe we could solve this all together. Tt's so much easier then and there is no time to waste with bonobo-dancing (I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding). See also ting-wiki: moon-edit liberation front.

Eventually the text will be automatically added to MoonEdit. For example, you open all: ME, Jabber and IRC windows . Your ongoing discussions are added to a predefined place in a ME document (it can be done even now using an IRC bot). Mabe it can be automatically filtered somehow before being added - ME docs already have the problem of not deleted chats (too little content, should be refactored, but is not always done), no point in further polluting it. Afterwards the text can be edited like with as text in ME. DanilaMedvedev 2005-03-30 21:40 UTC

Ok, I see you love irc and I do so too. The idea Danila is good. In an irc-chat there are times when the spark is in it and others when it isn't. When it is in it and you feel: "Hey, this should be reworked and published on wiki, you say "export last n lines to moon-edit" and it does it. Now you can login the moon-edit page and collaboratively rework it. You can also export the contents to a wikipage during work, where it is included as a text (it's readable, but not changeable with the browser) good for passing the url to others probably interested in joining in on the current work. Like exporting every three minutes is what I do on the tings now. When the page is ready or simultaneous editing is not of interest anymore you copy the page into a wiki-page.

Making irc / moon-edit / wiki one "production line". Sound pretty wiki to me. We should try that.

ting14 is today on 21:00 UTC

I realized that the base for ting-wiki, wiki-Woodstock, teach-me-wiki and such is that people learn to know about the fact that collaborative real-time editing online is possible. I made/improved the wikipedia articles. The links to the same page in another language are fun there. de.wikipedia: kollaborative online-Textbearbeitung in Echtzeit.

There's an effort that looks particularly promising to me: Chalks.

They are implementing the IntComm:RealTimeCooperativeEditingSystemsPaper, you can see by their status page that they've gone a long ways.

If they have truely implemented the algorithm, then the rest is just a stone-throw away: It's just UI hacking and session building from there. It looks like they're almost to usable with that as well.

The most important thing after this, I would think, is publishing the connection protocol. Then we can expect to see all sorts of neat stuff, like making mixed IRC/Chalks/shared-web-browser clients, and other fun stuff.

Collaborative real-time textediting online, kollaborative online Textbearbeitung in Echtzeit - that's what I called it on wikipedia. I couldn't think of something shorter (but encyclopedia compatible). We need a better name, a cool abreviation (CRTTEO sux), I mean, this will be a major form of communication within the hive mind. We better look for a nice and catchy word for it. … Or maybe I shouldn't worry as this is all onebigting anyhow and doing it is tinging already? Chalks I hope is it. Made en.wikipedia: chalks (software) rightaway. open sesamea, mama mea! to quote kunda.

Whatever we call it this is worth starting on a topic-node now. Maybe it's the TingTopicNode? even. Objections?

For chalks they use: realtime concurrent text editing. that's shorter atleast.

MattisManzel 2005-06-01 11:27 UTC: Alright, passionate that I am I contacted Rodrigo Benenson (one of the Chalks developers). The wiki they have is password-protected, else they use a mailinglist.

We should make a page [[chalks?]] here, it could even become a base for a later chalks-wiki.

our conversation went like that:

Hi Rodrigo,

Just wrote Dr. Niederberger already. We are very ( in words v e r y ) interested in Chalks.

link to this page

I'm exited :)

Feel most welcome on cw (community-wiki), please.

Thanks for the feedback, I think we just found our beta testers group ;p.

Responding to the comments on the wiki, the collaborative algorithm is already implemented (port of a previous working version in python, also written by us).

However that block is only a little part of the global system, GUI is tricky and network layer too.

I think in two months we should have a beta that your community could start to play with.

We lack on Interface Design wisdom and Beautiful Graphics (logos, icons), if anyone is interested please read our mailing list historic and respond to some of the call for opinions/participation.

https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/chalks-devel/

With respect to the protocol we already had a discussion about that on the mailing list with the MateEdit? creator.

Our approach allows to make the ConcurrentEdition? aviable for any .Net application, but it will be difficult to try to work only at protocol compatibility.

Check our mailing list for that too, rodrigob.

Yeah!

I'm looking forward to try out Chalks. I am not the tech-guy and no programmer (I'm just a steam-maker). Almost all the others on cw are programmers though. Central head for OneBigSoup -ish things is Lion, I already passed your mails further to him. But many others are most interested in Chalks too. Easiest (and fastest) would be to put your two mails on community-wiki. May I do so?

I'll try to dig into the mailing list. I can't write on chalks-wiki. There is no edit button (or I'm blind).

Great you are there!

mattis

Chalks related mails are public, no problem for fowarding to other lists.

The Chalks wiki is password protected. It is a wiki because it is easier to us to maintain it up-to-data, we do not pretend to use it as a bidireccional communication channel, we use mail lists for that. In the future there will be a bug tracker and possibly (depending on community demand) some forums.

rodrigob. - - - -

Yesterday xorAxAx said on irc that Gobby is working pretty fine for him already since weeks! I haven' got the slightest idea what and how to download from the Gobby-page not to say even install it. Would the clever ones here give it a try. please? http://darcs.0x539.de/gobby/

Well, there is a WIN32 installer for Gobby 0.1.0-pre which basically works for Windows XP (not yet for systems below). But Gobby is not yet released as 0.1.0, but it will certainly receive its own homepage soon and the you could track the release status on the roadmap at http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap

And it feels to me like making a gooby-wiki and a chalks-wiki and a node-wiki-for-colab-editor-wikis will get appropriate. We should start theese with three pages Gobby, Chalks and collaborative editor here

Hi!

I'm a friend of Tom Dobrowolski, the creator of MoonEdit.

I am performing a survey to get to know what people think about user interface of MoonEdit.

Come to http://sphere.pl/~fushi/moonedit/ and share your opinion. Help make MoonEdit better!

Define external redirect: chalks SharedWebBrowser ConcurrentEdition TingTopicNode MateEdit JeffCarroll

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