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2007-09-23

collab-editor-wiki: 2007-09-23 ting

Mattis!

Good to see you!

Two things:

  1. Who’s the other person, in the Ting? Is that Radomir? (I didn’t know there was going to be one!)
  2. Can you put your vote onto OfficialLegislativeProposals?

This time I failed to be present. We try to check the gobby server once a week, every Sunday evening, and sometimes this results in a ting. I’m thinking about making a planned ting and speaking about a world I imagined for my game several years ago (and it grew in my head since then), but I have to sort my notes to make it even remotely interesting. There is also a ting pending about learning to write a simple web application in python – based on http://sheep.art.pl/Sample_Wiki_Engine .

If anyone’s seen anything on how to write a simple mailing list, in … just about anything, I’d really appreciate it.

Something like Radomir’s SampleWikiEngine.

The only really simple MailingList managing scripts I’ve come across are unfortunately in PHP (using PHP IMAP library)…

FreshMeat turns up http://freshmeat.net/projects/jmlm/

I’m interested in the PHP mailing list scripts that you honor; Can you tell me abotuthem?

The link you just gave me is pure gold; I’d been looking but hadn’t found something. I’m glad to have that link, and am including it on the ProjectSheet for this. The PHP ones would be appreciated as well!

A little googling and I have something like this: http://sheep.art.pl/Braindead_mailing_list Note, that the server will crash if a client behaves wrong somehow (e.g. disconnects suddenly). Note also, that you need a real SMTP server set up to actually send the messages, and that this is very dangerous. On the other hand, if you only want to collect the messages on some web page or wiki…

I think this is what I was thinking of Re: SimplePHP? MailingList http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/57322.html (if you google Simple PHP Mailing list, you’ll find quite a few more)

Also, there is some code in a PHP book I just got from SAMS Publishing, that looks like it is flat-file, and simple, will upload that somewhere…

Hmm… this is just a WWW subscription form, it seems, you still need to use some mailing list software like Mailman or Ecartis to actually handle the mailing. Then again, this is probably saner than writing own, extremely buggy mail server :)

I’m sorry; Radomir, I don’t understand that--

  • what is “this” ..? (the PHP script?)
  • I’m ok w/ using Mainman or Ecartis or (something else) to actually issue mail; I was originally thinking, “just use the Unix mail command line program.”

Radomir’s “this” is the PHP file I linked to above: http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/57322.html

A lot of these PHP mailing list programs use Sendmail, which is apparently sometiems a real pain in the ass.

I wonder how well http://freshmeat.net/projects/jmlm/ can handle lots of email traffic…

Lion, why can’t you use something like MailMan? with PostFix?? If this is for a particular application, or someone you are helping out, maybe you could put together a custom distrobution of Debian or Ubuntu, and include the packages for all of the tools needed on installation. This could then be installed on a low-cost unmanaged VPS, for small group collaboration… This is basically your CommunicationsTower idea.

Lion, there was only me in the ting. I did such sometimes also 10 years ago, going to our band rehersal cellar alone and turning up the volume to 11. Noise. But you learn about kow things react under load. Not a bad exercise. I’ll care for the wikimocracy stuff tomorrow. Today's real life / second life Berlin web-Montag was cool btw. A speech of Joshua ?, a US-law-professor was streamed trans atlantic (they gave support with their quick-time server, as far as I understood, the number of possible participants per piece of land seems to be limited currently to about 40), then SebastianKüpers? spoke about bots in second life, programmed avatars “who” introduce you to something and such. The topic makes me shiver somehow, but anyhow. Maybe we need a kind of “replicant test” like in the beginning of Blade Runner to figure out - “ I tell you about my mother!” …:

If you don’t need it to be self-contained, there are two simple solutions that come to my mind: have a simple script plugged into your procmail that will handle the mail forwarding and another one for subscription management (you could have both in a single script too); even simpler method, that doesn’t require anything specific but a mail account somewhere: have a script that will download all the mail from a specified mailbox and process it (manage subscriptions or forward), then have this script run periodically, e.g. every hour.

Ok, I have written said script – posted again at http://sheep.art.pl/Braindead_mailing_list. Obviously this is a quick and dirty skeleton, it can be surely improved – however, I think it’s much more reliable than what I posted previously. Note that it will delete messages from the mailbox as it processes them – so don’t test it on a mailbox you actually use.

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