Lion, kensanata, heather_j, Sunir:
What do we want to express with it? A WebOfTrust? (Via introductions?)
Countless friends on Orkut and diagrams? Useless! FOAF-exploring is a fast way to look at pictures of your friends and read about their hobbies. Some have blogs, but not all. Reading blogs takes a lot more time. Fight InformationOverload?
There is something incredibly impersonal about reading someone's resume to find out about them without asking them for it. The whole business card ritual is about the social meeting, not the information. It usually makes more sense to read blogs of people you know, unless you read blogs as a replacement for news.
Wiki doesn't afford anymore than easy editing, and linking. Way too much post-rationalizing going on in the wiki world! There's nothing inherently 'social' about it, because it depends on the configuration. It was designed to be a good scrap-book, everything else is "culture" or "tradition".
The tech is so simple it's irrelavant for the most part. What we need to look it is what culture developed around the use of wikis. That is the interesting part.
Lion points out this requires kensanta who is not on.
Heather thinks there is no value in using the terms 'space' and 'bodies'... but Lion points out we use these terms all the time, and even text has width, and height.
LionKimbro thinks the offline world and the online world are merging. He thinks people will connect online activities to people in a way that does not happen right now.
This turns into a metaphysical discussion. It all gets very complex. Till finally everyone decides the IRC is a terrible format for a metaphysical discussion, which is kinda ironical.
MeatBall:CyberSpace for more info.
Sunir jests about academics who got all excited about the Internet: " And when they were done constructing their theories in code and social norms, and people follow through, they went, "Look, see! People are post-human and multiplicitous."
≡ lion/#wiki 's identity was reconstructed online. <Sunir> I am a social construction. <heather_j> mine was reconsituted. just add water
MartinHarper brings up discussion about weak-ties, " Online interactions tend to be low value interactions." Which gets into a discussion about the perception of value by people who have little experience online.
Lion says to Kitty that he can't shut off the machine because "there are people inside!" Pir says we should just say it's like being on the phone.
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no me?[new]
1. No, FOAF is better 2. I like PageCluster (but still think cluster should = category)[new]
i'm sowwy mattis
and i missed noting the entire discussion about Zauber! (i thik i copied an pasted before that happened)
i'm a terrible news reporter. by the time i attacked the task, it was difficult sifting through all the good nuggets. i think alex's advice was good, one should copy every once in a while and summarize. makes it easier.