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CommunityWikiSplitProposal

This is a proposal that community wiki be eventually split into more topically-focused subwikis.

It is not being proposed that this split happen soon. The optimal time to splinter is probably months, rather than weeks, away, and might be over a year. There are two good reasons why the split should not happen immediately:

It's possible that we would want to wait for additional tools such as MobileContent and the group movement tools that Lion is talking about.

However, it never hurts to try and plan ahead.

Reasons to splinter

No one would disagree that there are a couple of different sub-topics that this wiki discusses. Why should these go on different wikis?

I haven't talked to other wiki developers. I suspect, however, that many of these developers found that while they were interested in the wiki software discussions on MeatballWiki, they were uninterested in other discussions that went on there. If this is the case, perhaps a more focused "wiki software" wiki would be more attractive. As has been pointed out, you can't discuss the technical aspect of SocialSoftware without the social aspect; however, with a proper system of NearLinks, it should be possible to discuss both while providing people only interested in the technical aspects with a sub-community and RecentChanges page that only directly covers the technical side.

Method of splintering

Just set up a bunch of OddMuses, set the NearMaps to point to each other, copy the relevant pages from here into their various destinations.

What to do now

Just think about the idea, discuss it, and perhaps discuss which child-wikis should be created.

Potential child-wikis

Discussion

I think we should find a way of making split ParallelWikis integrate seemlessly with PageClusters. So, for example, edits to a child-wiki would appear on RecentChanges as edits to a single page on this wiki, as if it were a cluster. --MartinHarper

Great idea. I agree. In that case, assuming all traffic was moved to the child-wikis, browsing the parent wiki would show every change as a cluster change. For full emulation of the current situation, there should be a way to see the changes page with all clusters expanded by default. -- BayleShanks

So, effectively just an RSS feed on the "home-page" here, but with RecentChanges notified when the RSS feed is updated? And the option to mix the RSS feeds inline on RecentChanges? Sounds like a job for...RSS! :)

I assume this ability to expand/etc. changes on the RecentChanges page harks back to the original proposal on MeatBall:PageClusters along these lines? -- ChrisPurcell

How does this differ from RecentNearChanges? -- AlexSchroeder

Well, RecentNearChanges doesn't work like PageCluster changes; there isn't a display mode where if some pages on a near wiki is changes, this appears a single (but expandable) change on your RecentNearChanges. -- BayleShanks

Some Wiki, According to Lion

I've given a lot of thought to how to arrange the things we talk about here. Here are some of them:

That's just a small, tiny sampling of the wiki that can come off here, and host their own, massive, community.

Problem with the term "SubWiki"

I have problems with the term "SubWiki"- it implies that there's a tree relationship between wiki, which there isn't.

It also implies parental ownership.

Suppose that the Political Wiki Wiki took on a life of it's own. What utility, then, is there in calling it a "SubWiki" of CommunityWiki?

Could there be a "Custody Battle" between two "ParentWiki?"- over who is the parent? (Is it InfoAnarchy, or CommunityWiki?) So, it makes no sense to talk about it as a SubWiki.

Maybe ChildWiki? is best for seperate spawned wiki. A child can have two or more parents, and once it's grown up, it has an individual existence of its own.

SubWiki, in my PatternLanguage, is a wiki within a wiki. For example, ForgiveAndForget, ForgiveAndForgetInSoftware, ForgiveAndForgetInWetware, and RememberThePast could all be part of the Forgive-And-Forget SubWiki. Maybe you implement that sub-wiki by PageClusters, or maybe you do it by CategoryFilteredRecentChanges.

Yes! ChildWiki?. I like that. It has a parent or two while it's growing up, but then it becomes a full adult, with its own distinct nature. -- LionKimbro

Okay, I replaced sub-wiki with child-wiki -- BayleShanks


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